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*from the title of a review of Arthur Koestler's Arrival and Departure by Michael Foot, Evening Standard, Nov. 26, 1943.
Mar 23
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Husker Du - ‘Real World’ from Metal Circus (1983)

Just had a moment of historical anxiety there about my (probably technically incorrect) statement in the previous post that 1982 as an end-date was “essentially before hardcore establishes itself”. I could go back and add a qualification like “properly”, but then I’ve already staked myself on essentialism… and anyway, to my mind established hardcore is probably the least interesting thing connected with punk other than the Sex Pistols. 

However, I usually date my conception of ‘post-hardcore’ from the above record - precocious in just about everything, including the following year’s epic Zen Arcade, as Husker Du were - and I think it also serves specifically as an encapsulation of the potential of punk as progressive as well as a reactive musical movement, from the lyrics of the opening song above through polemics like ‘It’s Not Funny Anymore’ and the dark, queered satire of ‘Diane’; culminating in its arc of thrashy brevity with the metallic twists of ‘Out on a Limb’.

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Jan 21
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andrewtsks:

“About when we were writing Hidden World, we made a pretty conscious decision that we didn’t want to be a big fish in a mostly small and stagnant hardcore world. We knew that almost every person who had ever done something important in indie rock (ie “the mainstream”) used to either be in a shitty punk band, or grew up going to punk shows in the 80s, which meant we knew we’d hit the soft spot for a lot of people in useful places, but also that all those people had made their successes after giving up punk and moving on to more palatable projects, and that we couldn’t really think of any hardcore punk band that had broken into the mainstream/indie world while they actually existed as a band. Punk has always been something that people love to name check, but also like to keep at a distance. A punk band can pretty much only be important if they’ve been broken up for 15 years. Either that, or they have to be punk in secret, like Husker Du. A broad faced punk band can only really expect a life of quarantine. Think about the defining tragedy of The Ramones, one of the most iconic and influencial American bands ever to exist. Even while a million people were wearing Ramones tshirts in every country on the planet, they existed under this constant sense of under achievement, because they just wanted to be legitimate rockstars, and all they were ever allowed to be was a popular punk band. This sense of failure of the Ramones project permeates like every interview they did. They were footnotes at their own last show, the bulk of the story about what famous guests they were able to conjure up, like Eddie Vedder or whatever. Can you imagine how frustrating that must have been? These guys that had watched on the sidelines for 20 years as their cultural output, that influenced everything that would become even remotely popular in music, was relegated and marginalized?”

Mike Haliechuk of Fucked Up. The research and mental preparation I’m doing for writing about David Comes To Life sometimes feels like it’s only making it harder to ever get anything down on paper that explains how I actually feel. But this quote fascinates me, and I’m sure the sentiment behind it is bound up in what I have to say, somewhere.

More to come.

Isn’t this just a version of internalized oppression, though? The next paragraph in this interview is a long, idiosyncratic account of punk history, which does make some good points in a lamentable way, followed by the statement “The entire history of post modern youth culture has been one long turn against punk, and people wonder why we have to try so hard to be popular.” I have some sympathy for his viewpoint, and agree about the reactionary turn, but isn’t the lesson of the Ramones - and “lame-punk like Green Day (who were actually good)” - that popular success is a flawed goal? Not that obscurity is a necessity, that punk bands can’t gain some recognition for themselves - but this is tantamount to seeking co-option. I have a theory that Fucked Up can be best described - just kidding, kinda - as “kitsch-punk” because they appeal to the kind of interest in punk and hardcore sounds that doesn’t really see them as inherently valuable, rooted in either an organic tradition or a coherent attitude, taking them off the shelf when necessary: with the result that they become awkward appendages bearing little relation to the original wholly-formed aesthetics. Where it does seem at home, however, is in a genre largely based on separation and distance from, and even contempt for, punk - indie.

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Jan 16
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“The way Loma blows out the mix of their records always makes them sound so incredibly heavy.  If you’re in to melodic screamo this band is pretty much the cream of the crop.”

Loma Prieta - I.V. | Stokingtheroots

Finally got round to listening to this today, it’s really good. Almost had to check my headphones were connected properly at first and that it wasn’t just static in a couple of the songs, but it really recreates those sweet Honeywell, 90s chaotic hardcore insanities very well and combines them with the more contemporary ability of screamo bands to produce full albums (well, 12 songs in more than 12 minutes). Here’s where I wrote about Loma Prieta before.

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Dec 29
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Oct 31
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whenyrlivinginafascistdream asked: do you dig No Trend at all? would be interesting to see a piece on them. great writing btw

honestly never heard of them. read this and didn’t seem like the kind of thing I’d like - anti-hardcore hardcore, sounds like the Minutemen who I’m sure are a great band but have never appealed to me. 

but their song ‘Teen Love’ seems to be popular on Tumblr (yes, it can be a useful cultural resources sometimes!) and is really rather excellent. will probably post that, and I’ll see if I find anything more that makes me want to write something… NO TREND PIECE!

thanks very much for the compliment! 

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Oct 30
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andrewtsks replied to your audio post: Void - ‘Dehumanized’ (version three) from Sessions…

I never really understood this song until I heard the earliest version on 20 Years Of Dischord. When I realized what the actual riff was, I realized what Bubba Dupree was doing. It’s my opinion that he created chaotic hardcore.

I think I’ve heard that idea before (maybe from you) but I hadn’t really appreciated/believed it until now. Also, I was trying to remember what the phrase was that didn’t include the word ‘emo’ (or screamo!) because as much as I think the ‘true’ meaning of that word is essentially anchored in hardcore, and is generally better when it’s angry than when it’s sappy, some people probably get the wrong idea or association. 

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Void - ‘Dehumanized’ (version three) from Sessions 1981-83 (Dischord Records, 2011)

Deconstructing Emo, Pt. 2.5

This recording reminds me of what Han Shan, the single-7” Californian hardcore ‘emo’/abrasive band, would produce about ten years later. In the context of the full 30-odd tracks (averaging out at about a minute each), there’s an intriguing balance between thrashy speed and more esoteric noisemaking. As the rather good Pitchfork review describes the different versions:

“The three versions of “Dehumanized” here— one apiece from November and December of ‘81, and a June 1982 outtake from the session that yielded Void’s contributions to Faith/Void— tell the story plainly. Listening to them in succession, you hear Dupree’s “Eureka!” awakening to the aesthetic potential of noise. On the first attempt, he plays the dutiful riff machine, clearly stating the song’s start-stop verse motif and chugging, downstroked chorus. During the much faster December take, he fills the gaps in the first verse with bursts of feedback; by verse two, he’s in full-on assault mode, scraping out tortured growls and squeals that make Black Flag’s Greg Ginn, hardcore’s most notorious six-string sicko, sound cautious by comparison. The final “Dehumanized” is a glorious mess, with Dupree alternating between proto-thrash attack and what sounds like a malfunctioning power saw. Weiffenbach responds with a borderline black-metal snarl, and we’re finally hearing the band at its peak derangement.”

If that doesn’t make you want to listen to the record, I don’t know what will. Though I was, up until about half an hour ago, in the curious situation of not knowing whether I had listened to the original Faith/Void split or not. Partly because I’m not that into hardcore itself, and partly because the number of songs just made it impractical to buy from eMusic (where I get pretty much all my Dischord stuff). Two dozen tracks of what would typically be described as “blistering” hardcore has never been that attractive a prospect to me, despite their cultural importance to the hardcore world - and as for the Faith/Void question, on the basis of the 20 Years of Dischord compilation (which includes ‘Dehumanized’ from the split, but ‘Subject to Change’ from Faith’s album of the same name) I plumped for Void. Getting the Flex Your Head LP (including three tracks from Void only) more recently didn’t change that assumption. 

The Pitchfork review opens by presenting two often complementary ideas in alternative music, scarcity and importance - the latter contributing to a conflicting ubiquity of the record in discourse, and in the internet age, music folders:

“Void are one of those bands whose reputation thrives on scarcity. Up till now, this early-1980s D.C.-area hardcore quartet’s entire discography (aside from a few compilation tracks) could be heard in under 16 minutes— and not even on a proper full-length but a split LP, shared with the equally obscure Faith.

There’s something about that split, though. Thanks to devoted bloggers and high-profile superfans like Damian Abraham and Matt Korvette (of Fucked Up and Pissed Jeans, respectively), hardcore has become something of a scholarly discipline in recent years, and few records are more revered in that DIY academia than 1982’s so-called Faith/Void. Drummer Aesop Dekker (Agalloch, ex-Ludicra) quipped, “Faith v. Void (1982), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that overturned mediocrity in hardcore splits.” Sam McPheeters (Born Against, Men’s Recovery Project, and more) dubbed it one of “the best records of the 20th century.” And none other than Bill “Smog” Callahan named a song after the damn thing (“Faith/Void,” from 2009’s Sometimes I Wish I Were an Eagle). “It’s one of my favorite records,” he told Impose, “especially the Void side.”

One could question the value of the new “scholarly discipline” of hardcore when it seeks to turn it into another subgenre of indie rock, a series of sonic affectations and sincerest posturings, but I guess this blog is inevitably part of that “DIY academia”. For what it’s worth, listening to these studio sessions - rather than the flattened and well-worn artefact of the split - I’m struck by the palpable nihilism; dare I say irony, or point to the few generations separating the band from the infamous (and overrated) rawness of the UK sneer in the form of the Sex Pistols? The best true “academic” on punk, Nicholas Rombes, writes of the postmodern rebellion of the Ramones instead in his 33 1/3 book on their self-titled debut, and doesn’t include an entry for either Faith or Void in A Cultural Dictionary of Punk, 1974-1982, but admirably makes the case for pop-cultural deconstruction as a response to the post-industrial malaise of America in the 1970s. Hardcore sits outside that context a little, being consciously more direct and thus deliberately unironic, but the ouroboros of rebellion inevitably eats itself and returns the twist:

“I accept no conditions. 

I just take what I want. 

I have no reputation.

That I must maintain. 

I’ve been dehumanized by the city. 

I’ve been americanized by the pity. 

I’ve been dehumanized by the city. 

I’ve been americanized by the pity.”

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May 21
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Swing Kids - ‘Warsaw’ (Joy Division cover)

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A couple of days ago I finished reading Touching from a Distance, Deborah Curtis’s memoir of her life with Ian Curtis, the singer and lyricist for Joy Division who killed himself in May 1980, shortly before the band were due to embark on a tour of the US. At the back of the book are a full set of his lyrics, and after finishing the story of his last days and death, as well as the reaction of some of those around him, I turned the page to this song, the earliest lyric from 1977. “I was there in the back stage, when first light came around” stood out as an image of isolation and separateness.

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I was drawn to read the book from seeing Anton Corbijn’s Control, which is based on it, and from reading this interview in the Guardian, which I saw shortly after reading a similar interview with David Foster Wallace’s widow on the publication of The Pale King. Given that I’d just seen the film and wasn’t otherwise a huge Joy Division fan, I tried to find out a bit more about the book and if it was an interesting read in itself. The Amazon reviews were a study in contrast, between those deeply touched and impressed by the book and those strongly critical of what they saw as a one-sided depiction of an artistic hero. In the end, I sided with the positive responses: partly because they seemed more reasonable; and partly because I had, after all, already seen the film and had found it convincing, so I was interested to read the story from the first-person perspective.

The first thing that struck me was how, removed from the distance and the certain stylisation of the biopic, Ian’s behaviour seemed so reprehensible: controlling, forceful, illiberal, and irrationally hypocritical towards his girlfriend, then his wife, and the mother of his child. On the one hand, I’ve read a lot about deeply unpleasant men who produced great work - namely the three varyingly critical biographies published about Arthur Koestler - and while that certainly doesn’t excuse or necessarily explain such personal behaviour, it only colours and doesn’t really constrain the reading of it, given the numerous sources of suffering in the world other than men’s needs to dominate in relationships with women (yes! there are others!). Yet on the other, it’s hard not to be affected by the account of the experience - relived as much as lived - while also wondering what that account would look like from the opposite perspective.

That perspective - Ian’s point of view - doesn’t really seem to exist, which is unsurprising given that he died by suicide aged 23. Critical defences on his behalf exist, so it’s not about him being some much-maligned figure: rather the opposite. I’m perhaps biased by never particularly liking the music of Joy Division - I like it, but don’t love it - and as such I can’t understand the constant lauding of Ian Curtis you see under every YouTube video of the band, which I suspect comes from seeing him as a tragic figure and perhaps a troubled one, but never outright dislikeable. All these people touched by Joy Division’s music, how do they rank against those touched personally by Ian Curtis’s suicide?

Generally I believe that it’s a fallacy to rank art and life together like that, but it’s hard not to when you see people who find in his lyrics something deep and meaningful, and then you read a story which portrays an unpleasant personality - not without a caring side, which is also emphasised, though it’s frequently suggested here that the epilepsy or the epilepsy medication exacerbated the harsher, more controlling, more distant side of him - of someone who took themselves out of the lives of those around him with little warning. Deborah Curtis writes with a committed hope that had he been able to properly engage with professional psychiatric help it could have been different - “I couldn’t understand why he wasn’t taken into hospital where he could be put under the care of one professional person, rather than be pulled in different directions by a bunch of amateurs”. Two attempts are recounted - the first time he misread the appointment card and arrived on the wrong date, but not before telling his by then estranged wife “how unhappy he was in the music business” and

“that when ‘Transmission’ and Unknown Pleasures had been released, he had achieved his ambitions. Now there was nothing left for him to do. All he ever intended was to have one album and one single pressed. His ambitions had never extended to recording ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’ or Closer.”

The second time he did get to see a psychiatrist, and although Deborah went in beforehand to try and impress on the doctor the seriousness of the situation and of his behaviour she felt too emotional to be coherent and ultimately as if she, rather than Ian, was the one in need of help. Though as a whole the book takes a measured view of love and loss, with moments of foreshadowing explained away by the charm and naivety of youth, this is one of the cruellest moments in the tale. “I was sorry for him and felt completely helpless.” 

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‘Warsaw’ is an enigma, like most Joy Division songs; but an enigma of cruelty. The numbers called out refer, as is clearly established in the internet age, to the prisoner of war number of Nazi Rudolf Hess following his capture in Britain during the war after a botched attempt at peace negotiations in 1941; later, he was an inmate in Spandau Prison in Berlin, and from 1966 the sole remaining occupant - this bizarre situation, which continued until his death by apparent suicide in 1987, made him an object of political controversy around the time this song was written and first performed, as well as a subject of various conspiracy theories then and after. The lyrics, with lines like “I can still hear the footsteps/I can see only walls” can be fairly easily matched up with a retelling of the Rudolf Hess story and perhaps his relationship with Hitler (in which case the “back stage” becomes the backdrop to the biggest drama of the Western 20th century); references to reason, talk, contradiction, faith tests, being right all take on an extra cryptic dimension.

Whatever its exact meaning may be, it’s a fucking weird subject for a song. There’s a strain of Nazi fetishization in the early Joy Division which is both of its era and somewhat beyond it (I can always remember knowing that the band name was a reference to concentration camps, but it was only recently that I became aware of what that reference specifically was) and there’s another part in Touching from a Distance which records that fact from a personal perspective, and one that makes the whole thing seem rather Odd Future-esque (sorry - but not really):  

“The release of the EP [An Ideal For Living] in January marked the change of name from Warsaw to Joy Division after the disappointing news that there was already a London-based band called Warsaw Pakt. The essential ingredient for any band at that time was to have a supposedly shocking name. Names such as Slaughter and the Dogs and Ed Banger and the Nosebleeds were guaranteed to conjure up the image of a group who just might resemble the Sex Pistols. Most young hopefuls completely missed the sad fact that all they could ever be were pale imitations jumping on the inevitable band(!)-wagon. Ian told me that Joy Division was what the Nazis called female prisoners kept alive to be used as prostitutes for the German Army. I cringed. It was gruesome and tasteless and I hoped that the majority of people would not know what it meant. I wondered if the members of the band were intending to glorify the degradation of women. Telling myself that they had chosen it merely to gain attention, I gradually became accustomed to the provocative moniker and concentrated on the music.”

Deborah Curtis, Touching from a Distance, 54-5.

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ringwaldhaze:

big boys - which way to go

emo from 1984 before emo even EXISTED/big boys rule

I had just heard the blown out vhs recordings of this band in American Hardcore, I had no idea they were this melodic or pretty. Also, at least one of the members would allegedly sometimes perform in a tutu, which is gutsy on no fewer than two levels.

but Metal Circus came out in 1983! The weird thing is that this isn’t really that hardcore* at all - I’ve never seen American Hardcore and don’t particularly want to - pretty much like a mixture of the Hated and what Husker Du would become.

*apart from the allegedly wearing a tutu part. That’s super hardcore.

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andrewtsks:

oldtobegin:

elilhrairrah:

Okay let me fill people on what it was like going to Punk and Hardcore shows in NJ in the Mid to late 90’s. You had a lot of pop punk bands and a LOT of Powerviolence/True Screamo/Chaotic Hardcore/Emo-Violence bands.

A lot of people like to talk shit about NJ and NJHC/NJ Music in general, well, those people can go fuck themselves, because they didn’t have half the shit we had and, yeah sure, we can account for quite a few unsavory morsels of musical garbage (MCR, Cobra Starship for example)

Well, then there are bands like the one I am sharing now, a band that sadly needs an introduction, a band that SHOULDN’T need an introduction. A band I got to enjoy at one of my first shows as a kid, and band that blew everything out of the water.

You and I - I Think I Know Where Elvis Lives

wow, i haven’t thought about You and I in ages.

Here’s a Devil’s Advocate statement that I am not that invested in but I feel needs to be said:

Hate on My Chemical Romance for being “all whatever and stuff” all you want, but one thing’s for sure—those dudes are sincere. You And I, meanwhile, cried on cue at the end of every single live set they played for years. I’m not saying they were manufacturing it for effect every single time, but you’ll never convince me that they were being sincere even half of the times they did it.

And yo, I’m sure they’re really great people. In fact, I knew Tom when he was in The Assistant, and I think he’s a great guy. On the real. But I think there’s a certain level at which people turn off their critical faculties and just uncritically suck down anything that is presented in a certain manner as if it is automatically pure and perfect, and then assume that anything outside of that sort of presentation is impure. And I’m just trying to say—shit ain’t that black and white. We’re all human. These are false dichotomies that should not be uncritically bought into. Evaluate shit on a case-by-case basis, instead of accepting easily-recreated signifiers as equivalent to purity.

God, I hope that made sense to someone besides me.

All dichotomies are false to a degree, but it’s obviously true that You and I were a great screamo band and that My Chemical Romance suck complete balls. [Also, sincerity isn’t half as much fun as joking. And ‘True Screamo’ sounds like the name of a cult, which might be an accurate comparison if you’re that concerned with authenticity.]

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