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Not exactly the History Heraldic Beast, but I thought I’d share this anyway.
Unlike Chloe, I tend not to get quite as annoyed about misconceptions and stereotypes about Irish people. However, one thing that really pisses me off, beyond all reason, is when Americans referto the Great Famine as the ‘Potato Famine’ (you will pretty much never hear an Irish person call it this).
I don’t know, it just seems like people think it was this silly event where the potato crop failed and Irish people got a bit upset, because oh no! The potatoes! What will we eat with our corned beef and cabbage now?
Whereas, you know, the potato crop failed (several years in a row) and Ireland’s population is still lower than it was before this happened, 150 years later, because potatoes were all anyone had to eat. It was a real fucking famine, guys. Irish peasant farmers had been pushed onto marginal land where potatoes were the only viable crop, and when disease caused the crop to fail, they were left to starve, with a completely inadequate response from the government of the UK.
It’s not some huge issue in Irish society anymore, lest any dickhead use it to compare Irish people to people who do continue to suffer from racism and (neo-)colonialism, but still, calling it the Potato Famine really annoys me. It was a famine. There was no food. It was not The Great Whiskey and Guinness Shortage of 1902. A million people died.
Also, it happened in the 1840s.
I’m confused by these kind of memes. Is it possible that Dwight from the US Paper Office (see what did there?) actually said this in an episode, or is it just the kind of thing people imagine the character would say? Either way it makes sense because it’s exactly the right kind of assertion that’s factually wrong it at least one way and kinda annoying in another.
Not that I’ve ever felt able to really object to ‘Irish Potato Famine’ because we just call it the Famine, or the Great Famine (Irish: An Gorta Mór, literally the Big Hunger/Famine) and it would be pretty self-centred to expect anyone else to call it that outside of Ireland - especially considering that famines continued to happen all over the world. Like, you need some kind of identifying feature beyond, maybe, just the Irish Famine of 1845-52 - and potatoes are obviously the part that stick in people’s minds, and they were the key factor.
I’ve never considered that people would think it was just an absence of one portion of the diet at the time, because people know what the word ‘famine’ means, right? (Actually, when I was studying this in college we had discussions in our tutorials as to what level of starvation and/or crop failure actually constituted a famine and over what area and duration, until I just wanted to stop thinking about it) It’s not just that the population in general were unusually reliant on one food crop, but it was the cheapest crop, that grew best in the poorest soils and thus the food that the poorest people were reliant on.
I was watching the BBC-produced Feargal Keane documentary The Story of Ireland recently, on the section covering the Famine, and I was reminded of just how powerful a historical image it can present - as distinct from studying it in an assumption-challenging, questioning and somewhat revisionist way at university. The essentially true line about it removing an entire class of people from Ireland - agricultural labourers, less secure than tenant farmers, and who made up most of the pre-Famine population - is always shocking to hear. The flip-side of it, if there is one, is that Ireland was over-populated by 19th century standards, and the versatility of the potato (with the fatal flaw, common to any monocultural agricultural system even today, of susceptibility to disease) enabled that over-population - arguably it was a disaster waiting to happen. Yet that it did happen, in the way that it did, is a Problem Beyond The Potato - and in that sense I think I’m most uncomfortable with British people, not Americans, using the phrase the Potato Famine - why not the Centrally Imposed Lack of Assistance Famine? (doesn’t roll off the tongue, I know.) While the Famine is now seen as something solely affecting the Irish nation, it was a responsibility of the British state - not that the ideology of the age admitted this - at the time, and as such is part of British history too.
The removal of an entire class of people (albeit in a large part through emigration, not death, but this is exactly why the two are so closely connected in the Irish mindset) is tantamount to genocide in a way not dissimilar from the larger famines surrounding collectivization in the Soviet Union in the 1930s (the existence of which as a consequence and even intent of Stalinist planning supposedly being the reason why ‘genocide’ was defined after the Second World War with reference to religious and ethnic groupings but not economic, social or political ones). It’s a bold claim, but is what Stalin did to the kulaks really much different in kind - if not overt intent or degree - to what the laissez-faire economics, the origin of economic liberalism, and distaste for the lower orders of Irish society, of the English governing class in the mid-19th century did to that segment of the Irish? Not to mention reshaping Ireland from a populous but potentially radical peasant country into a smaller nation of smaller conservative farmers - the re-kulakisation of Ireland, as it were - with huge consequences for our political trajectory ever since. Ultimately it’s about a lot more than potatoes: it’s about a social famine within the Union of what was then the wealthiest imperial power in the world, Great Britain.
(also, on the ideas of potatoes betraying people, well the above ought to show that it’s more about people betraying other people with potatoes as an essentially innocent mechanism - but there was this odd opinion piece in the Irish Times this week, ‘Use the C-word all you want: they’re still GM potatoes’ in which the c-word is not what one would normally expect in Ireland, but ‘cisgenetic’ - apparently also misleadingly so)